Just a little tidbit about how I sometimes make summer money with baseball cards. Here is a 1913 T200 Fatima baseball card I just bought. Notice the PSA certification number:
I bought this one via bid last night for $106.50, quite cheap for a 1913 Fatima, in PSA 1.5 Fair condition. The PSA certification number, if you don't want to click the pic--and you should; it's a nice card--is 19195087. So, last night, $106.50, Cert. #19195087.
Of course, before you agree to spend that much money, you research online how much that card has sold for recently on ebay, to make sure you don't overspend. Specific bids on ebay can inexplicably go crazy; I saw just last night some T206 PSA 2s go for almost $40 (you can get them typically between $23-$28) and I saw 3s go for over $50 (you can commonly get them for $35 to $45, max) and so on. Well, one of the ones I saw had sold via bid on May 9th of this year, just a few months ago. Here it is:
This one sold for $157.50. Same card, same condition, same grading company. (Same ebay company, too.) I thought this was rare, since 1913 T200 Fatima cards themselves are pretty rare, so I looked a little closer. You can, too, just click the pic. You might notice the same thing I did. This wasn't just the same card--a 1913 T200 Fatima Cincinnati Reds in PSA 1.5 condition--but it was literally the same exact specific card. Look at the certification number. Exactly the same: 19195087!
What're the odds of that? That means that someone on May 9th--just two months ago--bought this exact same card on a bid from this ebay company for $157.50 (plus $6 shipping). But something happened. Either he didn't actually pay for it, so the same company had to re-post it for bid, or he did pay for it, but either because of financial hardship or something else, sent it back to the same exact ebay company he bought it from to begin with, which re-posted it, and I bought it via bid for $51 less than the original buyer bought it for just two months ago. $150 or so is a decent, common price for a Fatima in this condition, so my $106 bid is a steal. In fact, the original buyer in May spent $157.50, plus $6 shipping, plus another $3.50 or so when he mailed it back to the company to sell for him. At 15%, this company made $23.62 off of him when he bought it, plus whatever profit it makes from the $6 shipping, since it definitely doesn't take $6 to ship this one card to the winner. Then it re-posted it for him and made another $15.97 from the sale to me. So this poor guy spent $157.50 to get it, and got just $106.50 - $15.97 back from it, so $90.53. So $157.50 - $90.53 is $66.97, plus another few bucks for shipping it back to be re-sold. So let's say $70. So this guy lost $70 on this same exact, same certification number, card. In less than 2 months. It takes about a month to mail it to an ebay company: let them itemize it, list it, let it be bid on for about a week, itemize the sale of it, wait a max of 5 days for the winner to pay for it, and then another few days for that to clear through PayPal for the guy to get his money. So that means the original guy owned it for less than a month before he decided to send it back to the ebay consignment company to re-sell for him, at a $70 loss. That sucks!
To maximize a profit, I won't sell this one anytime soon. (It's my only Fatima, so I hopefully won't sell it at all.) I'll wait until the end of the baseball season, and I sell via a different ebay company, anyway. A card in this condition normally sells for $150+. This one, and a Fatima PSA 2 that sold for a crazy-low $126, are the only two out of dozens in my research, in a 1.5 or 2 condition, that I saw sell for less than $150. Sometimes you make more by not selling, and waiting a little. And since I spent $50 less than usual, it won't have to re-sell for much more for me to see a profit from it. I'm confident that it'll sell for about $150+ when (or if) I'm ready to let it go.
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Monday, July 9, 2018
Making Over $50 on One Fatima Card -- Same Exact Certification #
Monday, November 13, 2017
Ken Griffey Jr. 1989 Fleer Rookie Card in PSA Gem Mint 10
Photo: front and back of Griffey's 1989 Fleer card
Not much to say about this one. I got it recently after being on a bit of a Griffey kick lately. I got this one, a 1989 Topps Traded and a 1989 Mother's Cookies, #4. All rookie cards, all perfect 10s, all to be put on here soon.
This one I got for $30 and PSA says it's worth $30. I usually make a profit from my buys, but every now and then I break even or take a hit. On this one I broke even. I don't expect it to drop too much, but it probably won't gain much, either. In 2002, this one sold for about $64 and it now sold for $30, so that's a drop, but I don't see it dropping further. PSA indicates that this exact card in my collection may be from the Dmitri Young Collection, so that's very exciting, and led to me taking a chance on it.
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Sunday, October 22, 2017
Yanks Lose ALCS, 3 Games to 2
Photos: Jose Altuve's Gem Mint 10 rookie card, from my collection.
Yanks lose 4-0 and go home as the Houston Astros move on to the World Series. So despite Judge's 50+ homers, a high-powered offense, and getting past the heavily-favored Indians, the Yanks go home. What. A Damn. Shame.
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Friday, January 15, 2016
Picking A 1933 Goudey HOF Jim Bottomley
I bought an ungraded 1933 HOF Jim Bottomley on Ebay in a screwdown case. Here's a picture of it from the listing after I bought it:
I spent $36.51 and paid $3.50 shipping, for a total of $40.01. (Notice the penny extra on the bid.)
I took a chance here--not something I typically do with money in general. But the Goudeys are one of the Big Three sets. The 1909-1911 T206s (which I've written about many times), the 1952 Topps and the 1933 Goudeys are the most-collected and sought-after sets. Any card from these sets will sell for more than average; HOF cards from these sets will be worth a premium value. And highly-graded HOF cards from these sets will be worth good money. A card in decent condition (even, in most cases, in poor condition) from these sets will re-sell, no problem. So if you want to collect a card and try to make a good profit at the same time, these are the cards to get. (I would throw the 1888 Old Judges and the T205s in this category as well. And any card, really, between 1900 to 1933.) The trick is to buy one at a low price--ungraded cards can be bought for even cheaper--and then to send them away to SGC, PSA or Beckett to get them graded.
But doing so is taking a chance. No matter what you guess a card will be graded, it sometimes seems these guys grade the cards almost at whim, defying any reasonable explanation. (I have proof of this.) But if you want to increase a card's value, you have to get it graded. Out of all the companies, I think Beckett is the best for cards after 2000. PSA is best for cards 1960-1999. And SGC is best for all cards prior to 1960. It seems that overall card values back me up with this.
So what to buy? I've bought ungraded T206s and written about those before. But I'd never done so for a Goudey and I wanted to try. So if you're going to do that, you need to buy a popular player or a HOFer. But many of those are out of my price range. (Ruths and Gehrigs are worth hundreds or thousands of dollars.) I decided upon a HOFer nobody but serious fans know (and who shouldn't be in the HOF but for Veterans Committee shenanigans) and to get it raw, which means ungraded. The ones available during the limited time I allowed myself (because I could so easily go overboard with this and there goes the mortgage) were scant, and I settled on this guy.
Anyway, I sent it to SGC during its December Goudey/Play Ball/Diamond Star Special of $8 per card. (I also sent a HOF Rabbit Maranville Goudey, which I knew was in terrible condition; I was lucky to get that graded in Poor condition.) Because this venture is all about value and profit, you wait until the grading company has a sale on its grading. By chance, this sale came up right when I bought the card. Normally SGC charges $10 per card from this era.
So a few days ago (the website publishes your results when they're done, even before you get it in the mail) it was graded a 5 Excellent--which is really good for a 1933 Goudey, as they were handled a lot, and they're old, and they fray and literally disintegrate, and the corners round easily. The card, now graded, looks like this:
My Beckett Graded book shows the highest graded 1933 Goudey Jim Bottomley to be an 8, and I've got a 5. Not bad for $40! Book value? $150!!! Because you often can't get book value on cards, I looked up recently sold SGC 5 graded 1933 Jim Bottomley Goudeys on ebay. (I checked off the "sold listings" box; just because someone's asking $300 for the card on ebay, that doesn't mean it's worth $300. People ask insane prices via "Buy It Now" on ebay. But if a card has sold recently at a consistent price, that card is worth that price.) A PSA 5 (same exact grade and conditions, and PSA and SGC are equally respected) sold on January 10th, 2016 for $159.99, which shows the book value of $150 to not only be accurate, but maybe even a little low.
So I spent $40 on it, and paid $8 to get it graded, plus a couple bucks for shipping and insurance, for a total of $10 more. In summary, I paid $50 and it's worth at least $150---three times what I paid. Not bad! Even if I sent it to a 3rd party (an ebay company I do business with) and got the 87% he gives, and spent maybe $5 to send it to him, my profit is around $75-$80. Not bad for one card! It all took just minutes of my time, mostly sitting on my butt at my computer, and my post office doesn't usually have any lines, either. I could seriously make some part-time income doing this.
Tuesday, December 15, 2015
M101-2 Sporting News Supplement Bob Harmon
Photo: 1911 M101-2 Sporting News Supplement Bob Harmon of the St. Louis Cardinals, from my own collection.
First, I had a helluva time getting this picture into my computer, as it would only scan as a .pdf, and then wouldn't load into this software for this website. I had to scan it again, CONTROL + ALT + PRINT SCREEN, save it into Paint, then crop that, then save that as a jpeg., then bring it to this page. I don't know if you can see the big size of it like you could my other cards written about here. If someone knows of a better way around this for me--or how I can make my scanner not scan larger images as a .pdf, please comment here and let me know. Or send me an email, if you'd prefer. I appreciate it!
Anyway, I saw lots of these images up for bid on ebay from PWCC, where I get a lot of stuff. I've heard of these before, but had never seen them. The inages were striking, and I saved them all from my Watch screen on Ebay before I deleted them from it when the bids climbed too high. In good condition, these can go for hundreds, and a good condition HOFer, like Ty Cobb, can bring crazy prices. I really wanted a Jake Stahl one of these, and I forget why I deleted it. I didn't know much about the cost and value of these, and this one climbed over $30, so I backed off. It was one of the best shots I saw, right up there with Clark Griffith standing on the dugout steps, and Connie Mack standing in his suit. Truly awesome pics, but they got really expensive. If only I were rich.
So this one of Bob Harmon is ripped in the lower left corner, as you can see, so it cost me only $9.50. The shipping was $12, but when I won other cards (some Ted Williams and Clementes and a few others), those were only $.25 more after that, so it averaged out to $1.15 for each of the 13 (yes, I know it's crazy) items I got.
These very large photos are not considered cards, per se, as there were actual Sporting News cards published after these supplements proved popular with the public. The photographers must've been amongst the best of their time, because these images are all classically striking. I wish I could've gotten them all. Unfortunately, this is the only one I got.
These supplements were just that: included in issues of The Sporting News between 1909 and 1911, which in itself looked more like a newspaper than a magazine, just like it does today. They were often folded, which is not considered a detriment to their value, but they are extremely thin and therefore very fragile. Mine would've sold for over $30 had it not been a little torn, and Bob Harmon was just a common player.
He was a tough-luck pitcher who could've done much better, or much worse. He led the league in 1911 in game starts, earned runs and walks, but finished 23-16 with a 3.13 ERA and was 14th in the MVP voting. His WHIP was a bad 1.35, and he walked more than he struck out, so this was a rather lucky season. His luck would not last, though, as he went 13-17 and 16-17 for Pittsburgh a few years later, but with ERAs of 2.53 and 2.50. He had losing records every year and spent 1917 out of the majors, but returned with Pittsburgh in 1918 and had the best WHIP of his career, a very good 1.06--though he still walked more than he struck out. He finished 2-7 that year, which proved to be his last.
His career record was 107-133, with a 3.33 ERA and a 1.3 WHIP, but only gave up 1,966 hits in 2,054 innings. If he could've found the strike zone a little more often, he may have been one of the best, because they couldn't often hit him.
But, then again, had he been much better, I wouldn't have been able to afford him.
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Sunday, December 13, 2015
"Stoney" Ulysses S. Grant McGlynn T206
Photos: 1910 Admiral Schlei, Catching, Sweet Caporal 350 / 30 and 1910 Stoney McGlynn, Piedmont 350 / 25, from my own collection
So these are two T206s I got much earlier this year, both replacing identical cards that were in poor condition. Both cards were in ungraded and very poor condition, with no hope of grading higher if I'd sent them to a grading company. Both were purchased during my rookie days of T206 collecting, when I thought these cards were much harder, and much more expensive, to obtain than they really are.
Not that they're cheap, of course.
I bought 12 T206s in this batch, from July, with the total cost of shipping for all 12 just $6.50. That's just $.54 per card. So the McGlynn card, in PSA 2 Good condition, cost $26 and $.54 shipping, for a total of $26.54. The Schlei card, in PSA 3 VG condition, was $43, with $.54 shipping, for a total of $43.54. Both are in the upper tier of what I consider to be allowable prices for me to buy.
The very up-to-date T206 valuation website I use places the McGlynn card at $33 and the Beckett Graded book value (BV) is $40. So that's a profit of between $6.46 to $13.46. The real profit is on the lower end of that; you can get a T206 in PSA 2 Good condition on Ebay for between $25 to $35, routinely, for a common T206. Anything below that is a steal (I've had some in the teens) and anything above that is a rip-off (I won't buy a common T206 in good condition for over $33).
The Schlei card is valued at the T206 website at $49 and the Beckett book's BV is $40. So that's a loss of $3.54 or a profit of $5.46. I knew I may have overspent a tiny bit on this one, which I justified because a) Schlei cards are a little more expensive in Ebay bidding, for some reason, and b) it was a little personal because this was one of the first cards I bought as a T206 rookie and I was eager to replace my mistake. Also, I'd lost out on quite a few Schlei T206s, for some reason, even though there are three Schlei T206 variations (he was a popular NY Giant player). Anyway, I find the website's valuation a little more up-to-date Ebay accurate, which I can attest to because he was such a pain in the butt to finally get.
So I basically break even on these two cards. That's not usually good enough for me, but, like I said, they were replacements, and one was oddly personal. I know that's a bad rule of business--buying when it's personal--but the Schlei was such an incredible hassle to finally get, it was worth it for me.
I'll go into McGlynn's background and save Schlei's for another time, since I've got his two other cards.
Background and Career
Ulysses Simpson Grant McGlynn was born in 1872 and played his first major-league game in 1906, at age 34, which is very old for a rookie, of any time, of any team. He played for the St. Louis Cardinals his only three seasons in the majors, 1906-1908, which is a harsh thing to wish upon anybody. His "best" or most productive year was in 1907, when he finished 14-25. This isn't as bad as it looks.
The Cardinals that year finished 52-101, which means he won and lost a quarter of his team's wins and losses, which is a ton for just one pitcher. He led the league with his 25 losses, but he also led the league with 39 game starts and 33 complete games, which means the team didn't think he was costing them games. (They wouldn't have let him start and complete so many games otherwise.) This also means they realized they were terrible, and that he was their best chance to win, for whatever that was worth. He was probably the best pitcher on a very bad team. He led the league with 352 1/3 innings pitched, which makes sense if he leads the league in GS and CG. He also led the league in hits allowed, but only gave up 329, which is really good for 352 IP. But he also led the league in earned runs allowed, with 114, which--given the few hits he gave up versus innings he pitched--means he allowed a lot of walks, which he did: 112, which also led the league. That led to a 1.25 walks + hits per inning pitched, which is not good, but also not terrible. His ERA was 2.91, in a time when plenty of pitchers had ERAs much higher and much lower than that. But it was not close to being the highest that year, which means that his record still should have been much better than it was. He probably pitched in a lot of bad luck, and his team didn't score much for him (I looked at his lineup, and it wasn't good), and he probably pitched just bad enough to lose a lot of the time. Still, his record would've been at .500 or a little higher if he'd been on a better team. He would've been the bottom-of-the-rotation pitcher for a better team and wouldn't have led the league in anything, but he would've been better. He was 2-2 the year before and 1-6 after, with ERAs that were still pretty good, but he pitched for St. Louis when they were not good.
(Though he did play with HOFer Jake Beckley, who played in the majors between 1888 to 1907, which means he was one of the few players to have an Old Judge baseball card and a T206. Clark Griffith was another. Beckley finished with 2,934 hits and also finished in the top-90 in most offensive and defensive categories. This justifies his selection for the Hall by the Veterans Committee 53 years after he died. When that many years passes after a player's death and then he gets elected by the Veterans Committee, you wonder, but he was not one of the Veterans Committee's many bonehead picks. Beckley was also born in 1867 in Hannibal, Missouri, so he may have known Mark Twain, who was also born there.)
Astute readers may wonder why I have a 1910 T206 of a player released in 1908. Answer: T206s have both major league and minor league players in the set. And minor leaguers are that in name only. From 1909 to 1912 he played for the minor league Milwaukee Brewers, a good minor league team at the time. He twice won over 20 games for them and played for them until he was 39. He left the game for a year and then came back for Salt Lake City, and then did the same and returned with El Paso. And then he was done. He was probably paid just as well--if not better--in the minors than he had been in the majors. The minor league teams were not owned and run by the majors at the time, and often held on to their good players before they sold them or traded them to a major league team. Major league teams also traded players to minor league or independent league teams all the time, who then sometimes traded them to other major league teams. Players also jumped teams all the time, and were sometimes made to go back. Other times they did not go back, but could not enter a city or state sometimes of the team they'd jumped. Players also jumped leagues all the time, as late as 1915, when many star and HOF players jumped to the new Federal League.
The game was simply run differently back then.
McGlynn played for Independent League and Minor League teams before he hit the majors, too. My guess is that he played for bigger crowds in his minor league days, especially for Milwaukee, than he did for the 100-game losing St. Louis major league team. Regardless, I'd be surprised if he thought of himself as unlucky for his major league time. He was not a Doc "Moonlight" Graham.
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Tuesday, December 1, 2015
Mike Trout
Photos: Fronts and backs of my 2011 Mike Trout Bowman rookie cards, from my collection.
So, as promised, here are the Mike Trout RCs I spoke of in my last post. As I mentioned, I don't typically buy recent cards. Like, ever; I mostly do T206s, 1933 Goudeys, the 1887-1890 Old Judges, and Topps and Bowman HOFers pre-1960.
I made an exception this year for these three Mike Trout RCs, plus the Bryce Harper RC shown recently, and a Paul Goldschmidt and Jose Altuve RC, because they were very cheap, in mint condition, and of undervalued, under-rated players I believe have a good chance to be stars for a very long time. Goldschmidt's RC values will go up, especially when he hits free agency and plays for a team collectors care about. I mean, nobody cares about the Arizona Diamondbacks these days.
Anyway, as I also mentioned, the Mike Trout / Bowman situation was confusing, and took me awhile to come to terms with. In essence, there are rookie cards that are actually rookie cards, and rookie cards that Ebay sellers say are rookie cards but that aren't, and rookie cards that people believe are rookie cards because they were released during the same season as the player's actual rookie cards, and rookie cards that are not rookie cards because they're prospect cards. A rookie card is not necessarily the first card released of that player by a major card company. (Those are now prospect cards and minor league cards. This is confusing for those of us old enough to remember when the prospect cards from the, say, 1980 and 1981 Topps sets were the actual rookie cards. Now they aren't.) A rookie card is the first card made of a player once MLB has decided that he has made enough at-bats, or has pitched in enough games, to qualify as a rookie player. This can often be a few years after the player has been in the big leagues, and long after his cards have started to appear.
So...the Mike Trout cards shown here (in the first photo, starting at the top and going clockwise) are:
a) ungraded Bowman Draft #101
b) Bowman Chrome Draft #101, graded 9.5 Gem Mint by Beckett (I love that case, by the way, though I don't like the BCCG case, which is also Beckett, just to add to the confusion)
c) Bowman Chrome #175, graded 9 Mint by PSA.
Though the swinging photos of the drafts are the same, and though the number on the back, and the design on the back, are the same, these are different cards. One's a Chrome, and one's not, and that's just the way it is. Everything else about them is the same, except the Chrome's picture is maybe not as bright and clear.
The first card, the Bowman Draft, cost me $19.38, including shipping. I'm frankly taking a chance on it, hoping it'll be graded a 9 or 10. If it isn't, I've got the other two that are, and this one's a gift for one of two people I know will love to have it, regardless of condition. They're not as serious about this as I am. It'll cost me about $7 more to get it graded, shipped and insured, so the total I'd invested in it by then would be $26.38. At that figure, this card needs to grade an 8.5 to break even. These values have risen recently in the Beckett Graded guide, and I believe they'll continue to do so. By the time the next issue comes out, it may only need to grade an 8 for me to break even.
The next one, the Bowman Chrome Draft #101, graded 9.5 Gem Mint by Beckett, has a book value (BV) of $100. It cost me $50.50, which includes shipping. This card has also increased in value recently, and I believe it will continue to do so. You can never assume you can re-sell something for the BV, but I believe this card will come close. Often you're lucky to get 50% of BV when re-selling, but I believe I can sell this at one of my summer yard sales for $75, which is 75% of the BV. If I were a baseball card picker, which I suppose I am, I would make a profit from this card of at least $25, especially from baseball fans or card collectors who don't like to use the internet. Lots of those come to my occasional yard sales.
The last one, the Bowman Chrome #175, graded 9 Mint by PSA, I paid a little more for: $58.51, including shipping. Its BV is $80, which has also gone up recently. Only a $22 profit on this one, if I ever need to re-sell it, but I believe it'll be worth more by that time.
So why the exception for Mike Trout? Why buy all three of his Bowman RCs?
Well, first, go to his baseball-reference page here, and take a look at these numbers.
In the only four full years of his career, he's finished 2nd in the MVP voting and has won it once.
He bats leadoff (a move I don't like, and it hasn't helped the Angels) and hits lots of homeruns and drives in a lot of runs, and steals bases and walks (and Ks) a lot, for silly high on-base percentages. As an example of how well he does these things, in his MVP year he led the league in runs scored and in runs batted in. That's very, very rare, to do that in the same year. That's a Ruth / Mantle / Williams / Mays thing to do. Of those, only Mantle and Mays had the same combination of speed and power. But Mantle ruined his knees and ankles and Mays only showed off his speed on defense after awhile.
Ah, yes--the defense. He makes acrobatic catches normally. He doesn't have a great throwing arm, but he can run and go get it as well as anybody. His first two years he was a web gem about to happen.
Every season he's played, he's led the AL in WAR and in Offensive WAR. He's been in the top-4 in Slugging % and in OBS. Top-3 in Runs Scored, Homers, Triples and Walks. Top-2 in Runs Created, Adjusted Batting Runs and Adjusted Batting Wins. And Base-Out Runs Added and -Wins Added. And Top-3 in Putouts as an Outfielder, which means he can really go get 'em, and his pitching staff gives up lots of flyballs.
An average CF in the HOF will have 27 Black Ink statistics. He's already got 20--in just four years. An average HOF CF will have 144 Grey Ink stats. He's got 77--in just four years. An average HOF CF will have a 100 HOF Monitor. He's at 75 already. The HOFer will score a 50 in HOF standards. He's at 31 after four years. He's already the 40th best CF to ever play, and is compared favorably to Mantle, Frank Robinson and Jimmie Foxx. His 7-year peak is almost that of the average HOFer--in just four years.
And when next baseball season comes around on April 1st, he'll be 23 years old.
And he's the one the ballplayers themselves say is the best right now. They talk about him like the real old-timers talked about Ruth and Honus Wagner.
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Friday, November 27, 2015
Mike Trout 2011 Bowman Draft RC
Photos: from my own collection
Here's a Mike Trout Bowman Draft rookie card.
This is not to be confused with the 2011 Mike Trout Bowman Chrome rookie card, or the 2011 Mike Trout Bowman Chrome Draft rookie card. Both cards with "draft" in the name are #101, while the Chrome is #175. Go figure. What I can tell you is that when I went to bid on these, and the many dozens of other options that showed up, I had to look at my Beckett Graded book to see which one was which time and time again, since the three different cards also have different values. I had to stop a few times and adjust my eyes, and it doesn't help that the listings on Ebay are often misleading or flat-out incorrect. The sellers didn't seem to know what they were selling, at times, since some said they were selling a Bowman Chrome when they were actually selling a Bowman Chrome Draft. There were many other misleading tags as well. Crazy. And, oh yeah, there are tons of bunched-together listings in the Beckett book, and they tended to blur together after awhile, too.
I also had to look at the established Mike Trout rookie cards from cardboardconnection.com, which lists the actual rookie cards of every important player. This is now necessary, since there are so many cards that say "rookie" or "RC" on them, but they're not actual rookies, they just got released in the player's rookie year. That makes it a rookie, right? No, because there are so many subsets from the same card company that not each of them are considered rookies. Plus, there are a lot of "prospect" cards, which used to mean rookie, but now doesn't. And some players have a rookie card even before their rookie year or their prospect card--see: Mark McGwire's Olympics card, which is his rookie.
For those who're wondering, Mike Trout's only rookie cards are: 2011 Bowman Chrome #175; 2011 Bowman Chrome Draft #101; 2011 Bowman Draft #101; 2011 Bowman Sterling #22 (Good luck! That one's BV is $150 for a NmMt 8 and $500 for a Gem 9.5 / 10); 2011 Finest Baseball #94 and 2011 Topps Update #US175. (See how the Chrome and Topps is #175? That's because Topps owns Bowman, but all the Bowman Draft sets and subsets are #101.) That's a lot to see, and blur through, while you're sorting out listings by condition, cost, reputation and listing accuracy--the last of which was terrible!
And thank you to Cardboard Connection for providing those separate rookie and prospect listings.
By the way, did you know that prospect cards are released before the rookie cards, so you'll see them before you see the rookie cards, which used to be the ones you'd see first? And some prospect cards are traded and bought like they're rookies, and are often worth much more than the rookie cards!
Anyway, as I mentioned in the previous Bryce Harper entry, I don't usually buy recent rookie cards. Bryce Harper is an exception worth taking a chance on. Mike Trout is an exception you have to take a chance on. Trout is a no-brainer, like Pujols was, but more so, because Pujols was so obvious, and so alone in the field of new players at the time, that he didn't even have to be awesome to be the one to buy at that time.
Mike Trout is different because he is shoulders above some very impressive newer players in the past few years. Bryce Harper also stands out almost as much. But there's also Paul Goldschmidt, the most underrated player in baseball, who's finished second in the MVP voting the past two straight years, and who noticed? Very quiet player who plays for a very bad team; had he played for the Yankees, we'd be talking about him like we do Trout and Harper. (I've been trying to get a Goldschmidt rookie, too, though I have far surpassed my holiday spending. But a Mint Condition Goldschmidt Topps Update RC is only $10--and that's Buy It Now, not even bidding. (Bids tend to be a few bucks cheaper.) Anyway, I feel Goldschmidt is a sleeper, and I'm going to get his rookie now while it's cheap. I just did the same with Jose Altuve's, which is just plain cheap; I got 7 Altuve Bowman RCs for $7, including shipping. Ungraded, sure, but I gave to a friend the one with a few corner dings, and I'll send the best of the others to get graded and take my chances.
And we haven't talked about Rizzo, or Correa, or Arrieta, or any of the other ones. These last 3-4 years have been amongst the best three to four year stretch for rookies since the early 90s.
Anyway, Mike Trout stands way above all of these guys, and the collectors seem to know it, since his ungraded Bowman cards sell for about $20 when bidding, and over $30 for Buy It Now. Lots of buyers are Buying It Now, too, which tells me they're in very high demand, since experienced Ebay shoppers would rather spend $10 more just to know they can get one.
I spent $19.38 for the one pictured above, and that includes shipping.
So I'm taking a chance, because once I send it away, it has to be graded an 8 or better for me to break even. In fact, an 8 is just $20 BV, so I'll lose out a little bit because I have to pay for it to be graded (I wait for the $5 or $7 specials from SGC) and I have to pay about a buck combined for shipping and insurance. (I send 10 cards at a time to SGC, because it costs the same to ship and insure 1 card as it does 10 cards, so you may as well do 10.)
Since I'm spending another $7 to $9 or so on the grading, shipping and insuring, I need this card to get graded at least an NmMt+ 8.5, worth $25, in order to break even. I have no idea whether this card is that or not, as I have long ago decided that I'm not going to drive myself crazy predicting a grading company's grade for a card, since I have conclusive evidence that they're often wildly off their own grading scale, and so it's basically a crapshoot. This is especially true of newer cards. (I've been very good at grading T206s--but the grading companies have been much more consistent with their grades for those, too.) Even cards from the mid-80s have been graded one or two grades different than I'd predicted. Why's my 1980 Rickey Henderson RC an 8 rather than a 9--which is a difference of about $275 in Ebay bidding value? Couldn't tell you. What's the difference between my Rickey 8 and the previous Rickey 7 it just replaced? I don't know. The corners and the gloss and the centering are the same.
Will this one break even? I don't know, but here's why it's worth the chance for me, and also why I bought a 2011 Mike Trout Bowman Chrome RC and a 2011 Mike Trout Bowman Chrome Draft RC:
--Trout's RC values have increased lately and, I believe, will continue to do so. For a long time.
--My Trout Chrome RC is a 9 and the Chrome Draft RC is a 9.5, so I've got my Mint condition Mike Trout rookie card situation covered. (Those deals will be blogged about when they come in.)
--If this one is a dud--say, a 6 or 7--I can give it as a gift to either a relative or a friend of mine. Neither takes this anywhere near as seriously as I do, and would love to have a Trout rookie of any grade.
--Worst possible scenario: I can sell it at the occasional yard sale I have every other summer, and I can get $20 to $25 for it, no problem, especially from older folks who love baseball but hate the internet. And there's lots of those!
And that's why I bought an ungraded Mike Trout rookie, and would do so again, for either the relative or the friend who doesn't get this one.
Sorry for the long entry!
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Tuesday, November 24, 2015
Bryce Harper 2012 Bowman Platinum
Photo: from my collection, scanned in.
So, this is Bryce Harper's 2012 Bowman Platinum rookie card, graded in PSA 9 Mint condition. I got it for $8.51, plus $1.18 shipping, for a total of $9.69. (This was in a package of 3 other cards from the same Ebay company. I may write about those cards another time.) The book value of this card from the Beckett Graded Card Price Guide is $25. The Ebay selling price lately for this is about $20 to $25. I got a Mint condition card for even less than half of what I can re-sell it for, which is always what I try to do. I always buy with an eye to re-sell, if necessary in the future, so I always buy for about half the book value, and for about 75% of the recent Ebay value. I made out well here.
I normally don't buy baseball cards of recent rookies or of recent new stars because their values can fluctuate wildly over a very short time. If you take a look at the values of autographed rookie cards, or of prospect cards of the hottest new player, they've often cost hundreds--and thousands!--of dollars, and for what? For the player to crash and burn, and now his cards are worthless, and all that money is down the drain.
Crazy.
However, Bryce Harper, and--even more so--Mike Trout are rare exceptions. Trout's Bowman rookie cards are worth hundreds of dollars or more in Mint or Gem condition. (I just got a Mint at about $50 and a couple of ungraded ones I'll take a chance on at $20 apiece. If the ungraded ones get graded and turn out really low, I can give them away as gifts to guys I know who'd be thrilled to have them.) I may run an entry about my Mike Trout cards soon.
So why Bryce Harper? Well, he won the ROY Award a few years ago, and just won the MVP. Last year he hit .330. He slugged .649 with over a 1.100 OPS. He hit over 40 homers (with just 99 RBIs, but he's not to blame if nobody's on in front of him) and walked 124 times for a ridiculous .460 on-base percentage.
He has rubbed a few the wrong way, and certainly he had his cocky and immature moments--but remember a guy who was so cocksure and immature he was called The Kid? I'm not saying Bryce Harper will even come close to Ted Williams, of course, but he has the tools--if he can stay healthy, mature and not party too much--to hang around a long time and to put up potential HOF numbers.
That's what I'm counting on. Mike Trout has a better chance to do so, and I'll write about him next.
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Tuesday, July 21, 2015
1909 T206 HOF George Davis
The Card
Photo: T206 George Davis, front and back.
For those interested, I bought this card for $36.33, including shipping. T206.org says it's been selling recently at about $43, which is a very common value for a Hall of Fame T206 of a nondescript player in Poor condition. (Poor condition T206s of the big boys--Cobb, Young, Walter Johnson, etc.--still run a couple hundred bucks.) Anyway, that's a profit of $6.67. Not much. The Beckett Graded Card Price Guide (7th Ed. 2015) says it's been selling at about $50, which is a little high, on Ebay, anyway. That's a value of $13.67, which is a little better.
I'm just happy to have a T206 HOFer. I have about 15 of those now, most of them in Poor or Good condition, because that's what I can afford, ya know? This card is in good condition, for a Poor.
The Player / The Person
Photo: George Davis, while with the Chicago White Sox, from The Sporting News
Shockingly, the Veterans' Committee got it right when they inducted this guy into the Hall. Normally the Committee's inductions are abysmal, especially players inducted from this era. I've looked at a few of those lately, and when I checked Davis's card in my collection and I looked at his stats (via baseball-reference.com, just click it here to see), I was expecting more of the same.
But I was pleasantly surprised. You may have to know a bit about the time to appreciate Davis's stats. At a glance, they're not impressive. He led the league in an offensive category exactly once: 135 RBIs in 1897 for the New York Giants. (McGraw and Mathewson wouldn't join the Giants until later.) This is a lot, but for the 1890s, pretty common for a league leader. What impressed me a lot more was that between 1904 and 1908, the Chicago White Sox let him play full-time, in most of the team's games, although his offensive stats were way below the league's norms.
There's only one reason possible for this: Defense. From 1890 through 1902, Davis's offensive stats are good, but not great. They are, though, impressively consistent. And consistency in 1890s baseball, for 12 years, is very rare, whether it's offense or defense. The stats will pile up, as they did. So for peak value, Davis was not one of the best players in the league. But in career value, he was.
And then came 1904-1908 with the White Sox, and those rather unimpressive numbers. True, the game changed a little, but those are still bad stats. Why would he still be allowed to play full-time? Could his defense have been that good?
Yes. Turns out, it was.
His overall WAR (wins above replacement; click on the stat on the webpage if you're unfamiliar with it) was higher in 1904, 1905 and 1906 than it had been in any of his more impressive offensive years. This can only be due to his defense. Any dWAR (defensive wins above replacement) in the positive is good. (This happens a shockingly low amount of times, even for good players today.) Anything above 1 is really good; anything above 2 is Gold Glove worthy. Davis was a very good defensive player during his good offensive years (consistently between 1 and 2), but when his offensive skills eroded after 1903, when he sat out, due to problems with injury, salary, and constantly jumping between the Giants and the White Sox, and back (jumping teams was VERY common in the early 1900s, but his case was still odd. Read about it at his Wikipedia page here), he must've realized that if he was going to still play, his defense had to get even better.
And for a few years, it did. His defensive WAR, from 1904-1908, when his offense was terrible: 3.4; 2.8; 3.0; 2.9; 1.3. With his average to below-average offense, but his incredible GG (before there was a Gold Glove Award) defense, his overall WAR from 1904-1908: 7.2; 7.2; 6.3; 4.6 and 2.1. A 5+ is all-star worthy, and his defense alone made him 2 levels above that.
Over his 16-year career, the league averaged a .919 fielding percentage for the positions he played. Davis's fielding percentage was .936. At shortstop, the league's was .923 and his was .940.
If you're defending 17 percentage points higher than everyone else in the league, that's HOF exceptional. Combine that with 1,545 runs scored (56th all-time), 2,665 hits (69th all-time), 453 doubles (100th all-time), 163 triples (33rd all-time), 619 stolen bases (17th all-time), and 1,440 RBIs (63rd all-time), and you're a Hall-of-Fame player. JAWS says he's the 4th-best shortstop of all-time, and that's going head-to-head with Honus Wagner (#1), A-rod (#2) Cal Ripken (#3), Robin Yount (#5), Arky Vaughn (#6), Ernie Banks (#7) and Ozzie Smith (#8). Derek Jeter, if you're curious, is #12, ahead of Barry Larkin, Lou Boudreau, Pee Wee Reese and Bobby Wallace (a contemporary of George Davis's)--but behind Alan Trammel (#11)! [Take a look at Trammel's stats here and you'll be as amazed as I was. I assure you, nobody--including the announcers and players who were around him--realized he was that good. Alan Trammel, shockingly, is wildly deserving of the Hall of Fame. But that's another blog entry for another time.)] All of these guys, by the way, were way above the average HOF shortstop's stats. Normally shortstops can field, or they can hit, but they can't do both.
So why a blog entry about George Davis, who nobody in this generation (and in this century) has ever heard of?
Because he wasn't inducted into the HOF until 1998, and he died in 1940. It came 58 years too late, but finally someone dusted off his stats and saw the HOF.
Well, it started with Bill James, as these sabermetric things often do. I'll let the Wikipedia page tell it:
In a 1995 book, baseball author Bill James referred to Davis as baseball's best player who had not been inducted into the Baseball Hall of Fame.[7]Also in 1995, Davis was featured in David Pietrusza's television film "Local Heroes" in the segment "Knocking on Cooperstown's Door."
In 1997, baseball researcher Frederick Ivor-Campbell said that Davis was "the most neglected player of the 19th century. He's definitely the best eligible player not in the Hall, and he's a lot better than a lot of guys already in."[8] Around the same time, Davis was rated the 21st best baseball player of all time in the official baseball encyclopedia, Total Baseball.[8]
Davis was up for a vote before the Hall of Fame's Veterans Committee in 1998. Before the committee voted, sportswriter Dave Anderson wrote an article in The New York Times on Davis's Hall of Fame candidacy. He pointed out the work of Cohoes city historian Walt Lipka, which favorably compared Davis to almost all of the shortstops in the Hall of Fame. Anderson supported Davis's election, saying, "It's as if he were discarded nearly a century ago into a time capsule that was forgotten until now... For too long, George Stacey Davis has been his era's most forgotten best player."[9] He was selected for induction that year.[4]
Prior to his Hall of Fame induction, a Society for American Baseball Research (SABR) chapter in New York put out a call to locate a descendant of Davis to be present at the induction ceremony and announced plans for a historical marker in Cohoes.[10] As a great deal of time had passed since his death, no relatives could be located, but a group of about 50 people from Cohoes traveled to the ceremony in support of Davis.[1]
Me again. I don't know if George Davis was the 21st best player of all-time, but he certainly belongs in the Hall. He was light years better than Phil Rizzuto, Joe Tinker, Rabbit Maranville, and lots of other marginal candidates who probably shouldn't be in the Hall, but who are. Davis got in so late that nobody was around to even honor his plaque.
And why was that? Well, that's not so Hall-of-Fame worthy, but hey, don't judge:
Davis returned to the minor leagues for one season as player-manager of the 1910 Des Moines Boosters.[6] He managed a bowling alley in the early 1910s. He was the Amherst College baseball coach from 1913 to 1918, then he became a car salesman.[3]
The circumstances of his death remained a mystery until baseball historian Lee Allen discovered its details through a campaign to track down historical baseball players, run in part in The Sporting News. Davis was admitted to a Philadelphia mental institution in 1934 suffering from paresis due to tertiary syphilis. He died in the institution in 1940.[3] Davis was survived by his wife Jane, who was said to have been angry at him when he died. They had no children. His wife spent $41 to have him buried within a day at nearby Fernwood Cemetery.
Me again. Yeah, so no kids to have kids to honor his HOF plaque 58 years after he died of syphilis. Of course, you can get syphilis many ways, then and now, but...well, his wife was really pissed at him, and buried him the day after he died, apparently sans wake and funeral. And it was a quickie burial, costing just $41, which sounds to me like someone dug a hole in the cemetery, threw him in, and filled up the hole. Maybe even without a coffin, and definitely without a chaplain or onlookers.
And that pretty much says it all.
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Wednesday, December 17, 2014
My T206 Gifts to Myself
Photos: Jimmy Williams and Charlie Rhodes T206s. These are not the exact same two cards mentioned in the story below. The two pictured here are in Near Mint condition and worth about $550 each. And I ain't payin' that. These pics are from a great T206 card site, PSAcard.com.
So, if you've read the last few entries, you may be wondering: "Did he get any T206s for himself?"
Well, I did, and I'm ecstatic about them. I got two, and both for the price of what the Grimes or Stark would've cost.
First, I got a Jimmy Williams SGC 3/40 VG T206 card. This means that SGC, a top-notch card grading company (I only buy graded cards now, which is necessary but sort of sad. That's another entry for another day.), graded the card at the third-lowest level, which is Very Good. That's an actual grade, and not just someone at the company saying, "Wow, that's in very good condition."
Anyway, as I explained before, Very Good condition is more than good enough for me, as anything higher than that can get silly expensive. Very Good cards will look great, and are far better than Poor, Poor/Fair, Fair and Good condition cards. I'm actually happy with cards in Good condition, though that's the lowest condition I'll buy in, unless we're talking HOF T206 ballplayers. Those guys are often expensive even in Poor condition, because they're HOFers and everyone wants them, so they're at a premium, even in bad condition. I have T206s of about 7 HOFers, and they're in either Poor, Fair or Good condition. Anything higher than that will be over $100 apiece, minimum. Often, they'd be in the hundreds or thousands of dollars.
So, the book value--I use Beckett's Graded Card Price Guide--of this exact Jimmy Williams card, in this exact condition, was $60. That's a little high for me at Christmastime (and during most other times), but I figured I'd watch the bidding and give it a shot. I've made a few extra bucks recently--not much, but enough to buy myself one or two affordable (ie--inexpensive) cards for Christmas and New Year's. Or Thanksgiving and Christmas, if I want to be naughty and get myself another one for New Year's, which I probably will. And then another a month later for my birthday...
But I digress. So the shipping for this card was $3.50, and the BV was $60, as I mentioned. I'd watched the Babe Ruths and Ty Cobbs and the Magie error card and the Grimes card and the Dolly Stark card come and go by now, and I wanted something, so I tried for this one. (Jimmy Williams was a nobody player--a common card, in the hobby--and by far the least valuable of all the names I just mentioned.) The highest visible bid was up to just $22 or so. (If you've bid on Ebay before, you know the highest visible bid is often far below the actual highest bid.)
I'm old hat at this kind of thing, so I knew that a common T206 in Very Good condition will often hit the $40 or $50 mark. If it did, I wouldn't bid. The BV was $60, and the shipping was $3.50, but you don't want to spend the book value price, and you certainly don't want to spend over the BV price. (If you read the previous two entries, you know what I mean.) Like the Dolly Stark card, which was more valuable, I didn't want to spend over $45 total. I mean, I've bought HOF T206s in Poor or Good condition in the $40s and $50s, so I wasn't going to do that for a common card, even in VG condition.
As I've mentioned, you have to have a set dollar figure in mind--including shipping, which is not part of the card's value but yet is still money you have to pay--and never exceed that. Otherwise, this Ebay thing can get out of hand in a hurry and suddenly you're in debt.
So I put in my max dollar amount, and I wait until the proper number of seconds remain before I post my bid. (I ain't tellin' you my bid or the number of seconds I wait for. Cuz I'm silly and unrealistic like that.) And in the last ten seconds, the bids go from $22 to $23, $24, $24.55 and to $30 before my bid wins.
I've just watched the Dolly Stark sell for $63--admittedly, a fair price, since the BV was $80, but it was still more than I wanted to spend. Another card, Josh Devore, had sold for $82, and the BV was $150, but still the $82 was more than I wanted to spend, though that one stung a little when it got that high. (It had been in the $30s for awhile and I was hoping.) The Magie error card went for over fourteen grand, and I saw Cobbs and Ruths sell for thousands, and I'm still waiting. (This all took about half an hour, by the way, in case you thought I'd wasted my night doing this.)
I didn't spend the $63 or the $82 because I was able to get a T206 in Very Good condition (same condition as the other two) for just $31, plus $3.50 shipping. And then, just a few minutes later, I was fortunate enough to get a Charlie Rhodes T206, also in Very Good condition, for just $28, plus $3.50.
Unfortunately, these two cards weren't from the same place, so I couldn't save on shipping, which I always try and do. But, anyway, the bottom line is that I was able to get two VG condition T206s for a total of $66, including shipping. Which is why I didn't spend $66.50--including shipping--for the one Dolly Stark card (though that would've been nice, and remains a personal thing with me), or the $85.50 for the one Josh Devore card--both in the same condition as the two I did get. I'd rather spend $66 total for two VG T206s than over $20 more than that for one VG T206.
That's my Christmas present to myself. I'm going to pay for those right now and log off from Ebay and not log back in for at least another month. That's what I do--jump in, buy one or two, and then shut it down for at least a couple of months. So as not to go crazy and in debt. I can see why people would get addicted to this and drive themselves bankrupt.
And so that's it. Happy Holidays and Happy New Year to my readers. Be good to yourself this holiday season and this New Year's. Get something inexpensive for yourself, too. You deserve it!
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Monday, December 8, 2014
The Dolly Stark Situation
Photo: The Dolly Stark Southern League T206 card, from BMWcards.com. This is not the exact card in the story below. BMWcards, by the way, is a company that sells really high-end, really high-quality, great-conditioned and highly-graded cards. In other words, I can look, but I can't buy.
I almost bid on a Dolly Stark, which is a tougher-to-find Southern League card, and worth more than other commons in the set. I can't tell you how many times I've bid on a Dolly Stark card. So often, it's become a bit of a thing with me. I have to get one--but not go crazy to do so. This one was an SGC 30 2, which means it was graded by SGC, and graded a 30, which is SGC's way of saying it's in Good condition. A 2 also means Good condition. Good, in this case, is an actual grade, not just someone saying it's in good condition, if you know what I mean. I'm a bit stingy, because I'm a bit poor, so buying a T206 in Good condition is okay with me. It's not for most serious collectors.
So I looked it up in what I call The Book--Beckett's Graded Card Price Guide. It says that this exact card, in this exact condition, has recently sold for, on average, $80. (This is not the same as saying it's "worth" $80, but it's as close to an immediate, go-with-it value you can get on short, convenient notice.) When I saw it, the bid was $27.
(Side note: Do not ever buy an item like a baseball card as a BUY NOW on Ebay, because if there's something wrong with the item--and there usually will be, or it wouldn't be BUY NOW, it'd be auctioned--Ebay will not reimburse you, and neither will the seller. Only static items, like baseball card plastic sleeves, for example, or anything else you'd buy off a shelf or a rack, should ever be bought as a Buy It Now.)
Anyway, I knew the bid would go up, but I hoped not by much, and a common card usually won't escalate tremendously. I had my bid all set after there was less than one minute to go. (I place my bid when there's a specific number of seconds left; not tellin' ya what that is.) My bid was for $41.51, because the shipping was $3.50, and I didn't want to spend more than $45 total, even though the value was $80. I try not to pay more than half what a card is worth, including shipping. But as this Dolly Stark situation has become personal at this point, I splurged by a few bucks. With 5 seconds left, the bids went from $27 to over $30 to over $40, etc., finally settling on $63.00. That's not bad, spending $66.50 total for a card "valued" at $80--a savings of $13.50, but that was more than I wanted to spend on one T206 card, even though it was a Southern Leaguer (which are more rare and more expensive) and a personal situation, too. There were other cards I was looking at, and I needed to save my money.
Plus, once you've settled on a dollar amount you're willing to spend, you absolutely cannot go over that amount. If you do, you will again, and suddenly you've gone Ebay crazy and spent your mortgage. Craziness. So I never sent my bid for this card. The Dolly Stark situation still remains a personal thing.
I almost bid on a Dolly Stark, which is a tougher-to-find Southern League card, and worth more than other commons in the set. I can't tell you how many times I've bid on a Dolly Stark card. So often, it's become a bit of a thing with me. I have to get one--but not go crazy to do so. This one was an SGC 30 2, which means it was graded by SGC, and graded a 30, which is SGC's way of saying it's in Good condition. A 2 also means Good condition. Good, in this case, is an actual grade, not just someone saying it's in good condition, if you know what I mean. I'm a bit stingy, because I'm a bit poor, so buying a T206 in Good condition is okay with me. It's not for most serious collectors.
So I looked it up in what I call The Book--Beckett's Graded Card Price Guide. It says that this exact card, in this exact condition, has recently sold for, on average, $80. (This is not the same as saying it's "worth" $80, but it's as close to an immediate, go-with-it value you can get on short, convenient notice.) When I saw it, the bid was $27.
(Side note: Do not ever buy an item like a baseball card as a BUY NOW on Ebay, because if there's something wrong with the item--and there usually will be, or it wouldn't be BUY NOW, it'd be auctioned--Ebay will not reimburse you, and neither will the seller. Only static items, like baseball card plastic sleeves, for example, or anything else you'd buy off a shelf or a rack, should ever be bought as a Buy It Now.)
Anyway, I knew the bid would go up, but I hoped not by much, and a common card usually won't escalate tremendously. I had my bid all set after there was less than one minute to go. (I place my bid when there's a specific number of seconds left; not tellin' ya what that is.) My bid was for $41.51, because the shipping was $3.50, and I didn't want to spend more than $45 total, even though the value was $80. I try not to pay more than half what a card is worth, including shipping. But as this Dolly Stark situation has become personal at this point, I splurged by a few bucks. With 5 seconds left, the bids went from $27 to over $30 to over $40, etc., finally settling on $63.00. That's not bad, spending $66.50 total for a card "valued" at $80--a savings of $13.50, but that was more than I wanted to spend on one T206 card, even though it was a Southern Leaguer (which are more rare and more expensive) and a personal situation, too. There were other cards I was looking at, and I needed to save my money.
Plus, once you've settled on a dollar amount you're willing to spend, you absolutely cannot go over that amount. If you do, you will again, and suddenly you've gone Ebay crazy and spent your mortgage. Craziness. So I never sent my bid for this card. The Dolly Stark situation still remains a personal thing.
Tuesday, December 2, 2014
The Sherry Magie Error T206 Card Sold on Ebay
Photo: The one you see here is valued at $90,000. Yes. 90 grand. Or, half the value of a good house. The super-famous Magie (Magee) error card, from PSA.com. The card in this picture is not the same exact one in the story below.
I just watched a Sherry Magie (correct spelling: Magee) error card from the T206 set--one of the most sought-after, rare and expensive cards in the hobby--sell on Ebay. Just watching, mind you. Why? Because it was in PSA 3 VG condition, which means the grading company PSA said it was in Very Good condition, which is an actual grade, and not somebody saying, "Hey, that's in very good condition." The 3 means that this is the 3rd-lowest grade for a card, which is good if you're a serious, but financially limited, collector like me. (Most serious T206 collectors are not financially limited.) So I'm thrilled to get a card in VG condition, but most serious collectors prefer cards at least a good three stages higher, at least Excellent or Excellent-Mint condition. If I had the money, I'd be the same. But I don't, so I'm not, and I'm okay with that.
Anyway, Beckett's Graded Card Price Guide says that this exact error card, in this exact graded condition, has sold recently, on average, for $20,000 (Yes, twenty grand for a baseball card of someone you've never heard of.) and that this dollar "value" has gone up since Beckett's last report. This is not the same as saying that the card is "worth" $20K, but for our purposes here we can think about it that way.
Suffice it to say, I don't (and most of you probably don't) have twenty grand to spend on a baseball card, so I'm just watching this take place. At about five minutes before the end of the auction, the highest visible bid (if you've bought off Ebay before, you know the highest visible bid is often nowhere near the highest actual bid) is at about $12,000. Now, this kind of famous card, an error card, a card that every serious T206 collector (including me) wants to have, will often go crazy in the last 10 seconds of bidding, so I'm fully expecting this thing to jump violently and quickly from $12K to $14K (seeing a baseball card jump in seconds by a few grand is a very rare thing to see), and so on, to come close to $20K or, as I expected, to exceed it.
To my utter shock--and, I'm sure, to the seller's worst nightmare--it doesn't. It sells for $14, 544. Someone out there just got one of the hobby's most sought-after cards at a savings of over $5,000. Well, $5,456, to be exact. Which means the seller, who should have expected the card to sell for something close, if not more than, $20,000, just took a hit of over five grand.
Meanwhile, I just saw a Burleigh Grimes 1933 Goudey, in PSA Good condition, with a book "value" of $50, just sell for $81.26, plus $3.50 shipping.
So some guy got a card at a savings of over $5,000--and he can very easily just re-list it himself sometime and sell it on some Friday or Saturday night, far away from Christmas time when people are buying presents and going broke, for the $20K, and make a nice $5,000 profit for himself by doing absolutely nothing. Well, besides using a little common sense. I would never auction off a super-valuable card around Christmastime. I'd wait until February, or March, when people are depressed and miserable and will overspend.
Anyway, so some guy underspent by five grand and got a world-class card, while someone else vastly overspent on the Grimes card by $33.76, which in its own way is just as shocking. Overspending by almost $34 on a card that's only worth $50 is an astoundingly financially unfeasible thing to do.
Ebay giveth and Ebay taketh away. That's the risk you run putting something up for bid. If you just get a sparse crowd, you're going to lose out, big-time. The company selling the Magie card was not one of the mega-name card companies I'm familiar with on Ebay. If it had been, with the established and serious client base those companies have, the card would've sold for closer to the $20K.
Craziness. But the company's fault for putting it up for bid when it did. Even if that's what the client asked the company to do (these guys often auction things for someone else, and get a cut of the sale price for doing so; that's called consignment), I can't believe the company wouldn't convince the card owner that he'll lose a few grand selling it now.
If I'd only had the money myself...
I also watched a 1933 Goudey Babe Ruth #181 PSA 6 EX-MT Condition, sell for $6,100. Shipping: $20. (This is the classic card where he's grimacing and looking over his shoulder, his arm on the red Big League Chewing Gum ad.) The book value: $5,000. I can't decide if someone overspent by over a grand, or if this is a worthwhile and legitimate value. A $1,100 profit on a $5K card is a pretty good haul. This Ruth Goudey card is also one of the hobby's most recognizable cards. Though not as much as the Napolean Lajoie (who's from RI) 1933 Goudey card. A Near-Mint one of those recently sold for $60,000. Yes, $60K for one baseball card. This company was one of the mega-names, which I think accounted for the profit made by the card. Sad, but true. Why the owner of the Magie error card didn't consign it through one of the mega-name companies is a mystery.
Monday, September 1, 2014
Free Contest to Win A T206--1,400 T206s for Auction at Saco River Auction Co. January 2015
[Free contest to win a free 1909-1911 T206 explained at the bottom of this entry, in the P.P.S. Contest ends midnight, Sept. 30, 2014.]
Yeah, that's right. If you're into baseball cards at all, you know the T206s. I've posted a few pics of the few I have. This is the set that has the Honus Wagner card, formerly owned by Wayne Gretzky and others, worth literally millions of dollars.
Well, in January 2015, the Saco River Auction House, in Biddeford, Maine, will auction off the Portland Trove of T206s. One thousand, four hundred of them. All in good condition, or better. All of them. At an average of $50 per card--a very low estimate, considering there are Christy Mathewson cards, Walter Johnsons, Ty Cobbs, etc.--that's still $70,000 worth of T206 baseball cards being sold. The real fetching price will most likely by ten times that, or more than $700,000.
To show you the awesomeness of this, look at the pics:
Can you believe that?!? Oh, my goodness. This makes me want to vomit in jealousy and greed, except I can't stop looking at the pics and wishing I had them.
Of course, since there are only 527 known cards in the set (though variations pop up even now, every so often), there are going to be some duplicates. My guess is--the piles you see on the tables in the pics are the duplicates of that card. So if a John Anderson, let's say, (in the second-to-last pic, he's in the second row from the bottom, all the way to the right; looks like he's praying) is on a small stack of three cards, I'm going to bet there are three John Andersons in the collection. (There's only one John Anderson in the set.) How did this happen? Simple: The story is that a gentleman living in NYC in 1909 or so started smoking. His choice of smoke was the El Principe de Gales--one of the rarest backs in the set! Anyway, he smoked the stuff and kept the card the pouch came with. And often, it'll come with a card he already had. Like getting a duplicate in the wax packs we bought as kids.
So, if you're not doing anything on a particular day TBA in January 2015, and if the weather isn't too bad, I might just take a drive up to 2 Main Street in Biddeford, Maine--about a three hour drive, or so. Hopefully the auction is on a Friday or Saturday night! I might save up a little bit by then, and take my list of cards. If you're into T206s, maybe I'll see you there. Save your pennies: All of the cards in this trove were graded by SGC, and they're all in good condition or better.
Speaking of card collections, do you have one? If so, what's your favorite? Or do you have a favorite specific card, or set? If you don't collect cards, what do you collect, and which of those is your favorite?
P.S.--Speaking of T206s, I've got a few extras, so I'll be having contests on this blog every now and then and giving one away for free. Caveat: None of the ones I'm giving away are professionally graded. They're known as "raw" cards, and they'd list in Poor, Poor / Fair, or Fair condition, but will still be worth at least ten bucks each, even in bad condition. (I mean, they're free, so waddaya want?) I'll mail it in a tobacco card toploader. Stay tuned.
P.P.S.--In fact, what the hell. I'll have a contest here and now. Just answer the question(s) above the P.S. in a comment to this blog entry and I'll enter you in a random drawing to win one of my extra T206s from 1909-1911. Each is worth somewhere between $10 to $25 and can be easily mailed to you. If you're the winner, I'll ask that you send me an email. When you do, I'll email you pics of the ones I've got available, and you can pick whatever one you want. I'll mail it to you free of charge as well. It can fit in a regular envelope, after all.
Yeah, that's right. If you're into baseball cards at all, you know the T206s. I've posted a few pics of the few I have. This is the set that has the Honus Wagner card, formerly owned by Wayne Gretzky and others, worth literally millions of dollars.
Well, in January 2015, the Saco River Auction House, in Biddeford, Maine, will auction off the Portland Trove of T206s. One thousand, four hundred of them. All in good condition, or better. All of them. At an average of $50 per card--a very low estimate, considering there are Christy Mathewson cards, Walter Johnsons, Ty Cobbs, etc.--that's still $70,000 worth of T206 baseball cards being sold. The real fetching price will most likely by ten times that, or more than $700,000.
To show you the awesomeness of this, look at the pics:
Can you believe that?!? Oh, my goodness. This makes me want to vomit in jealousy and greed, except I can't stop looking at the pics and wishing I had them.
Of course, since there are only 527 known cards in the set (though variations pop up even now, every so often), there are going to be some duplicates. My guess is--the piles you see on the tables in the pics are the duplicates of that card. So if a John Anderson, let's say, (in the second-to-last pic, he's in the second row from the bottom, all the way to the right; looks like he's praying) is on a small stack of three cards, I'm going to bet there are three John Andersons in the collection. (There's only one John Anderson in the set.) How did this happen? Simple: The story is that a gentleman living in NYC in 1909 or so started smoking. His choice of smoke was the El Principe de Gales--one of the rarest backs in the set! Anyway, he smoked the stuff and kept the card the pouch came with. And often, it'll come with a card he already had. Like getting a duplicate in the wax packs we bought as kids.
So, if you're not doing anything on a particular day TBA in January 2015, and if the weather isn't too bad, I might just take a drive up to 2 Main Street in Biddeford, Maine--about a three hour drive, or so. Hopefully the auction is on a Friday or Saturday night! I might save up a little bit by then, and take my list of cards. If you're into T206s, maybe I'll see you there. Save your pennies: All of the cards in this trove were graded by SGC, and they're all in good condition or better.
Speaking of card collections, do you have one? If so, what's your favorite? Or do you have a favorite specific card, or set? If you don't collect cards, what do you collect, and which of those is your favorite?
P.S.--Speaking of T206s, I've got a few extras, so I'll be having contests on this blog every now and then and giving one away for free. Caveat: None of the ones I'm giving away are professionally graded. They're known as "raw" cards, and they'd list in Poor, Poor / Fair, or Fair condition, but will still be worth at least ten bucks each, even in bad condition. (I mean, they're free, so waddaya want?) I'll mail it in a tobacco card toploader. Stay tuned.
P.P.S.--In fact, what the hell. I'll have a contest here and now. Just answer the question(s) above the P.S. in a comment to this blog entry and I'll enter you in a random drawing to win one of my extra T206s from 1909-1911. Each is worth somewhere between $10 to $25 and can be easily mailed to you. If you're the winner, I'll ask that you send me an email. When you do, I'll email you pics of the ones I've got available, and you can pick whatever one you want. I'll mail it to you free of charge as well. It can fit in a regular envelope, after all.
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